Episode 4
Heathcliff SUCKS | Wuthering Heights
This week's novel: Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë
Claire and Hannah review the psychotic behaviour of every single character in this novel, get distracted more than once, and wind up discussing the modern audience, declining literacy, and what constitutes quality ragebaiting.
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Transcript
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1801. I have just returned from a visit to my landlord, the solitary neighbor that I shall be troubled with. That's deep.
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Page deep.
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The following episode may contain coarse language, sensitive topics, and extensive spoilers. Your discretion is advised.
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And this is the Page Deep podcast, and this is Wuthering Heights. Mhm.
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There's I was laughing. I was laughing so hard I started crying.
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And it's already like it's allergy season and I Oh, so you're you're just a So I just like look and sound like [ __ ] Yeah.
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Great.
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Um, so you can hear it. You can hear I've like started to lose my voice already.
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Yeah, I've just now noticed it now that you pointed it out. It's fine. It's hot. Make her sound Make her sound normal.
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What the [ __ ] That's for That's for you and me, future Claire. Sorry.
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Our our love transcends time. That's beautiful. You know what's not [ __ ] beautiful?
Emily Brontë
ish writer best known for her:1:13
The fact that this is Emily Bronte's only novel. I know. Isn't that so fascinating?
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It's so It's so fascinating and very upsetting. Um and you're crying about it and it's really like I know. It's really upsetting.
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It's it's it's emotional. This is emotional time for me.
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It really is. a very emotional time of my life right now. Yeah. Yeah.
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I do wish she had written more. I do wish that tuberculosis I don't know why I said it in so many phrases. Tuberculosis.
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I said tuberculosis. She died of tuberculosis. Young too, right?
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Yeah. 117 years ago. Um she was I think in either 30 or almost 30 at the time.
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She was young.
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But they all did. They all kind of died around. Yeah. Well, that's not true. One of them left.
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You caught tuberculosis. You were probably you were done, right? Like you there was nothing. Game over. Why is it so hard to find?
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But you were hot. Like you died sexy supposedly sexy.
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Which is um autism in it. Sorry. What?
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No, I'm just I'm just looking at um the Wikipedia and I was looking through all the hyperlinks to see where death was to clarify specifics. And right right above
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death is autism and anorexia which I because it's alphabetical.
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Yeah, cuz well it's it's under personality and character and so there there's um sorry there's Charlotte's representation of
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Emily anorexic dead under her under her personality and character there are a couple of you know sub subcategories here Charlotte's
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representation of Emily friends Gasill's biography of Charlotte independence and strength of will autism and anorexia and
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then it goes right to her death so it's it's just yeah she did she died. Oh, probably of tuberculosis.
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It probably was tuberculosis. Um, could have been the wind.
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Could have been following a long descent into alcoholism and drug addiction. She was real as hell through it.
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She very distant reactions. Um, how old was she though? How old was she? I could do the math.
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Oh, buddy.
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She died of a broken heart for the You are not too fat to jump up here by yourself.
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Poor. You can do it. I believe in you.
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3 minutes, 28 seconds
You can do it. You are the king of weaponized indominance. Like I have watched you jump up here by yourself. She was exactly 30.
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Oh, buddy. Did it. You did it. You did it. Yeah.
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You're so brave. You climbed up on that couch that you're able to climb up on.
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You did it. And now you got your butt right in the camera. Isn't that lovely? What the hell?
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What the hell?
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Um, what the [ __ ] Oh, and he didn't even stay. He didn't even want to stay. He's like, "You insulted me for being fat and
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I'm going to stick my big furry butt in your face." So, she died. She died a year after the novel was published.
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Say that again. She died. Um, Emily, my good friend Emily. My good friend. Our good Emily Bronte. Wait, hold on. I'm so
Emily Brontë
ish writer best known for her:4:24
sorry. I think he did kind of he knocked so much [ __ ] off everything over.
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See, it's all right.
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eah, she Emily Bronte died in:4:43
never got to see it thrive. Yeah. Which is like And everyone thought she was a man.
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Everyone thought she was a man, which is like truly the worst.
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Yeah. It sucks that like women had to publish under male names because like sometimes you read books and you're just kind of like there's no way.
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There's no way.
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And this book I think in particular I at the beginning of reading this and then it would wound up being very helpful to me like through through it I wrote down like which characters were which.
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Yes. um there that that family tree that I thought was so stupid at the beginning of the book when I opened it turned out
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to be the most useful tool any book has provided me ever. Um and it just there there's only 19 characters in this book.
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19.
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There are 19 and very few of them are relevant. Um so like that that is including um like Kenneth the doctor. Um
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Kenneth, my boy Kenneth. Um, I forgot. Big dog. He was not important enough to me.
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He is not important at all. That's like including like minor characters. That means I'm still missing five. There is I'm like, who do you have here?
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I marked them dead too once they started dying cuz it's like a lot of them.
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There is there's a couple characters that I know exist, but I can't remember their name or what they did. And there's just a
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couple of lines. There is the new There's Michael.
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There's Michael. There is the new maid when lockart lock heart lock wood returns. So there's a new maid. So
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there's like there's probably like five key characters that all have the exact same name which is incredibly last and then
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switch every five seconds.
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Yeah. So so one guy gets his gets a last name as a first name which is stupid.
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Keith Cliff just has the one name but has decided to spread it around.
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Yeah. Unfortunately, for every He's so funny because he's like, "Let me make everything as difficult as possible." Let me make it all about me.
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Let me make it all about me.
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The number one note I have is just Heath Cliff sucks in all caps.
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Does I Yeah. was on Tik Tok and came across this real where someone
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was talking about um the mention of what was it? Weathering Heights in
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Twilight and how Bella is like maybe Catherine's actually the problem.
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What an idea. If you read Weathering Heights and you're like, Catherine is the source of all of this, you need to
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pick up Can you When you give a mouse a cookie because back to Clifford, you go cuz you're not ready. Clifford is too sophisticated.
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That's too advanced. Yeah, it's too advanced. You need When You Give a Mouse a Cookie. Um, the hungry hungry caterpillar. Yes.
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Uh, back no words if I remember correctly. No, it does.
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It has words. Uh, very is it? God, I always do this and it's like it's my favorite picture book. Very hungry caterpillar. Hungry hungry caterpillar.
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Can never remember which it is. Um, and it definitely has words because at one point he has a stomach ache and he's very sad and small. You're right.
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And he has a stomach ache.
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I want to get him tattooed, but he looks really sad but he's really cute and it's like the picture when he has You have a shrimp on your arm.
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Well, the shrimp isn't sad. Like the shrimp isn't sad. No. Well, he's very happy to be here.
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Okay. So, very happy to be here.
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You can have It's like um it's like the theater masks but with bugs. Oh, I'll have a happy one and a sad one.
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And a sad one and a very very hungry one. Are caterpillars and shrimp related.
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Somehow everything is related. The cosmic scheme.
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We all We're all made of stars. I'm the Joker for some reason. This book turned me into the Joker.
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You're the Joker. I have a life-threatening illness. Hi, society. Society. I'm Batman.
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I'm Batman. I'm Batman. Something's in my ass. All right.
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Anyway, look. He left.
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This is a wonderful genuinely. So, so can we start reading books where men don't piss me off?
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Yeah, it would be really I I'm I'm just like just one. I'm I got to hack into the main frame to find the the one match
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for you here. The one book that doesn't have an insufferable man.
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It's just a book that doesn't have any man in it. And then the women are insufferable.
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It was Yeah, it was I have never known men and will never have a good episode ever again. Well, there were insufferable actually. We started strong.
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Yeah. And we lost we lost our way. It's all downhill from here.
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9 minutes, 36 secondsYeah, we got to get on. We got to get on some. I cheered when he died.
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I cheered. And this is took the final [ __ ] chapter of this book. And I was like, no spoiler warning on this one. He's dead. He's dead. Thank the Lord.
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You guys don't get a spoiler warning because this book was published in 18.
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Every episode starts with a spoiler warning.
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You You don't Oh. Anyway, um I think Heath Cliffe is especially
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awful. Um but everyone here is kind of a problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Like you if you are and and I saw this because I was like let's see what wonderful insights people on TikTok have about Withering Heights, the classic
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novel. Um which was like such a terrible choice to make on my part. And like I knew what I was getting into. Whatever. In my defense, it was accidental.
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Yeah. And and and one of the posts was like, "Every girl wants a Heath Cliff." No.
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And I was like, "I want a Heath Cliff six feet under.
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You need to stop. You need to get off the phone. You need to stop talking cuz that is so insane. This is something I
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want to talk about and that I have very strong feelings about that I like to call like the touching grass is not enough. If you want a Heathcliffe, you need to go eat grass.
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Yeah. You need to go read that poem about the two-headed cow.
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Back to hungry hungry caterpillar. You go. Yes.
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Back. Send them back. I don't know why I'm Trump.
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Send them back to the hungry hungry caterpillar. Cut that out. No.
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I can't do a Trump impression. Cut that out.
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You just have to sound stupid. So, mission accomplished. And I tell him he's a great guy. Hungry.
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Hungry caterpillar. He ate an apple. He ate a cake. Then he got a stomach ache.
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He got a stomach ache. Turned into a butterfly. Great guy. Great guy. Wow.
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Anyway, we read a book and it was a This is a great book. I'm having a breakdown.
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I'm having like a breakdown. Yeah. I want to be so clear. This book is a fantastic book. Um, Emerald Fennel has done atrocious things, too. Oh [ __ ] Bleep that out.
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Um, wait. This is Wait.
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They love you like I love you.
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Wait, I did that [ __ ] 67 thing instead of Oh god, Jacob Lordy.
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67 because he's so tall. He lies about it.
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He's so He lies about it. He's just He's so He's so tall. Just can't help it.
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Literally, I want to die. Um, out just like seemingly everyone in this
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novel was saying all the time like that they wanted to die so badly and that their life was ending. I similarly want to die.
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I It's so well written, but I wish it was shorter because every second that I was in this world, I wish
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that I was doing literally anything else. Here's the thing, like like Emily Emily Bronte is such a great writer and this is such a well-written book and she
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really really successfully wrote the most insufferable man and the brattiest woman ever and it's and it's great. She
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has done a great job characterizing these people. Um, they all feel very real and I don't want to be anywhere near them. Yeah,
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these are terrible, terrible people that I do not want to be in this except for Nelly. I could maybe hang with Nelly.
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Um, but well, she did she did get a little Yeah. But anyway, like she like like with the kids she's really like Heritton arguably also sucks ass.
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Yeah. Not really. And so does like Catherine Jr. Catherine Jun. Yeah. Cuz she sucks too. They're all annoying.
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They're all like constantly irritating.
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But Nelly because she's like partially raised them as kids is like well well he's fine I guess.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. She's an unreliable narrator because I would hate Harrison. And she's like she's like he's not all that bad. I think there's intelligence behind his eyes and it's like
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maybe I don't know the um guess we'll never know.
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As for I could sorry. Well, maybe.
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No, cuz she's crazy, too. Like, she's like I mean, but she's crazy enough for the circumstances, you know?
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But she's also like nobody in this novel can like just let sleeping dogs lie.
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No, we can't find our own.
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Yeah, they all have to like poke the bear. And people will go out of their way to be like this thing, this thing
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that you so obviously are trying to do, bad idea. Don't do it. You know why you shouldn't do it? Cuz last time that
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happened didn't work out well for anybody.
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This must be like the story of your life.
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You're always like telling people what not to do and they're [ __ ] going and they go and do it and like my whole life has been blown up and
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I'm like, "Yeah, I told you that was what was going to happen." And this is what happens all the way through this book.
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Not a single person is like, "Oh, I shouldn't do that. Okay, I'm not going to do it." Yeah. Nobody at any point is like, I got to really stop and think
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about this. Did they invent thinking after this novel came out? Cuz like nobody in this novel did it. Which like Well, no. Cuz the the only thinking that happens is like manipulative scheming.
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It's evil thinking.
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What did we think of good thinking? When did we start doing that? What year was No one thinks critically? They're just like, "How can I be How can I inflict my vengeance?
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How can I make as many problems as possible?" Yeah. computer. Show me all the problems that I can start right now. Show me all the fires I can set.
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No. And see, that's the beauty of this book is they don't even need a computer to do that. They just have a lot of spare time.
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No AI insight. They were doing it off rip. They were being evil without assistance. And I think that's amazing. We should go back to being evil.
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Authentically evil, you know, from the heart, you know, like authentic insidiousness. Yeah.
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Like they were. That's why this is so beautiful because it's all human. This is all human evil. Yeah.
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Um and I I got halfway through this book
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in probably two and a half weeks. Okay. Yeah.
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And then I read the rest in like four hours. And I really have to stop doing that. Yeah. That's crazy.
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My problem is that I and my fellow procrastinators, you'll know this.
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I put things off until the last possible moment. And then especially with books like for this, I have to have read it
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before this conversation. Yeah.
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And then if I have something going on like in the morning, like I had an exam today, so I'm going to like study for my exam in the morning, which means I can't
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spend that time like doing the reading I was supposed to be doing. So, last night at like 900 p.m. I was like, I am 42% of the way through this book.
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I need to like fix that.
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You were in the same place as me cuz I was in a cafe today reading from like the 61% mark, I think. Yeah.
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All of it. Just absolutely whailing through this book. Yeah.
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Um what's it called when you're steamrolling? Thank you.
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Steamrolling. Yeah. I was just I was like nothing could have stopped me.
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Nobody could have woken me from my stuper. I was just locked in to reading this. And I felt like insane after. Like I felt like I had
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like died 10 times over and like I felt like I was no longer in the real world.
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I was in the world of this book. Um and I too was being buried. I closed like I closed out of the book and I was like
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thank [ __ ] because I was so ready to be out of that like misery that I was just cuz it wasn't like it wasn't like wow
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this is so this is so like you know introspective
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and like interesting and really brings out a lot of interesting themes about
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contemplating life and its purpose. and its meanings and blah blah blah. I was literally just like, "These people suck.
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Get me out of here. I have been annoyed.
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I have been annoyed for four straight hours." Yeah. I think that definitely the back half of this book is not something that you sit and you go, I'm
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going to really consider this. Yeah.
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It's it's very much like a thing is happening and you know kind of what's going to happen. Like you can you can kind of tell. Um, and it's like we at
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this point are not really making any like big statements or anything. Like we've made all our big statements. Um, we've done the brunt of the work
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and we are now like this is I feel I felt like honestly the entire back half of the book was like falling action which like like once you get to cuz
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there's Catherine one, Catherine one and her daughter Katherine too. Little Kathy.
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Little Kathy. Yeah. And um when Katherine, the first Katherine dies, there is still a full half of the book.
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Katherine um this is this is something that I learned about before finishing the book. Um and kind of like was very interesting to me, but people there's
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obviously no way to know exactly how old the first Catherine is except for in the beginning when she's like mentioned to be I think 12. Um but after that there's no real way to track how she ages.
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People have like speculated that she's around 18 when she dies. No, which is like people are like, "Oh, roughly." And like
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there's a lot of like scholars, like literary scholars who like say like, "Oh, this is probably where it was." It's so interesting that she lived like
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18 years, caused that many problems in like supposedly like six of them, and then was like, I'mma head out. And her
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daughter completely out like completely outlives her and makes none of the wrong choice. Well, well, well, well, well, she does.
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Her daughter gets lucky.
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She does get lucky. And it's like she makes the same choices but watered down to the dickory where the like the repercussions from it are not as severe,
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you know, like it's like watered down like simply through timing.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a matter of circumstance, I think. But she does actively make I would cho the same cho I would argue
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the first Catherine makes the better decisions.
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Really? Yes. Because think about it this way. Yeah. Heath Cliff is insane. Yeah.
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He's insane. He's vengeful. He's and you know this is obvious below her classwise.
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Yeah.
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Um he's scruffy and dirty and like has nothing to his name and he's just like straight up a dick. Even like young,
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he's just like straight up like sociopathic.
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Yeah. And then Catherine looks at that and goes, "Okay, for whatever insane reason, I love this
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guy." Yeah.
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But my life will be more comfortable if I marry the loser down the hill.
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In her heart, she knows the right choice. Like, she knows what is expected of her and what will benefit her in the long run. But for some
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reason, she like cannot cannot betray her soul. Yeah. And like forget this crazy guy.
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So she still like she actively knows that what she wants is not the thing that's going to benefit her in the long
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run, but she still then succumbs to the fact that she didn't make that decision to
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like go with her soul instead of the logic.
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I Yeah. Um, whereas the second cat were in. Sorry.
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No. So, I I was going to say something like totally useless, which was that I think they just needed to do like drugs maybe.
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Well, I feel like look, they probably were. Let's be honest. They probably were.
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Um, but I think like the second Kathy cuz Linton is just like a total [ __ ] dweeb.
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He's a He's a total dweeb. But he's he's a dweeb, but he's also so Heath Cliff's son that he's just like
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it's like without all of the the oomph behind it, like the actual like threat.
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He's just like straight up every incel you've ever seen ever. That's what this [ __ ] guy is. Get this kid on Reddit now.
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Yes. Literally, he's he's ill all the time and so he's just like weak and like spindly and he's blaming everyone around him.
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blames everyone for his problems, only cares about himself.
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He's like pissed about it um all of the time. And it's like he could probably like he could probably just get better. Honestly, he's not even
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uses all of his energy to just like be a nuisance and get what he wants. And then like when Catherine comes over and is like trying to like care for him or like
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cheer him up or whatever, he's like a dick to her and then he's like, "Oh, please like lay around and do everything for me.
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Please, please, please, please." Literally.
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Yeah. And then he gets mad when he doesn't get his way and then causes more problems and then is when he's under threat by Heathcliffe. He'll lie and
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cheat and scheme and like manipulate to entrap two women in this house and force
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Catherine into marriage with him which of course like once you're under threat Yeah. like you're gonna of course like
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choose to marry this guy so that you can be free and then But
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Catherine, like she is told so many times, do not go here. Do not continue this.
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You dead dove. Don't eat.
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It's not like they just they're just like, don't. And they don't give her a reason. They explain like why Heath Cliff is so bad and like what all the like
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depth is there. And she still ignores everyone. Goes out of her way to ignore everyone. cheats and lies and schemes
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like to pull one over on Nelly to like get over there and build this relationship and then it ends badly for her and she's like I don't understand
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why this house is so miserable even though I was like forced into doing this forced into like like you cannot be
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surprised that you wind up in that situation like at least the first Catherine like understood what consequences were presumably.
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Presumably. Yeah. or like to to a to a level. Yeah. To a degree. Like she understood, okay, this will be the comfortable, safe life. This will be
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like the riskier, socially unacceptable life.
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Like Catherine like the junior didn't didn't make that distinction at all.
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Like actively could not make that distinction.
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I just like thinking about the back half of the novel like actually it's a very different headache than the first half is.
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Yeah. Um, and I don't know how to describe it. Like if you go and you read it, you'll know what I mean, but it's
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just like I was stressed the entire time for all these people. Mhm.
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And it was all their fault. Like they like it's like it is like it's so funny cuz like I am
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am Lock Lockwood. I am the observer who just cannot get enough of this story but like knows that it's insane and is
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witnessing it and he like I he is calm about this whole thing.
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He's way too chill but I guess like for me it's like you know you hear drama that's like happening in a friend group that isn't yours and you're like this doesn't affect me and it's outrageous.
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That's literally what Lowood is like experienced. He's experiencing like the ye old uh friend group drama. Yeah. high school friend drama cuz he's literally
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like sitting there and he's like, "Well, they're in the other house, so that doesn't really affect or bother me. I'm over here." Well, I like that it starts out with him
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like staying over at that house. Like, these people are [ __ ] weird.
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He starts in the house and he's like, I need to know what is wrong with all these people right now cuz something crazy is going. I smell a story.
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I smell something here and I need to and I think it's the Why are you like that?
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Why do you look like that? Why is there a woman in the window? Why?
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Yeah, he gets straight up [ __ ] haunted by Catherine at one point, which is like still so funny to me.
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I love the random little like ghost [ __ ] thrown in there.
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I think it's like the funniest thing in the entire world. um that like the implication is that Catherine was fully
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able to come back as a spectre to haunt Heath Cliff over the 18 years since she died and Heath Cliff has been like obsessing over her. She fully had the
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ability and refused to and chose 18 years later to come and talk to the first man that appeared that wasn't Heath Cliff. Yeah.
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Hey, Catherine. Catherine won. That was baller and hilarious.
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Petty as [ __ ] Petty as [ __ ] Love that.
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wished you had kept up that energy in life and not done all that super harmful stuff and like had done like silly little shenanigans like that. But like no, it's cool. It's cool.
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And I think when she does finally appear to Heathcliffe, it's to [ __ ] kill him.
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Yeah, it's to kill him. It's to be like him.
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Wow. He took the words right out. We all We were all thinking it.
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Um but yeah, I loved the spectral [ __ ] and where he's like he's like, "Oh yeah, um
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I've dug up her grave." He's like, "Let me look at her face.
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Let me get as insane as possible." Cuz I'm already crazy. Here also is that she was imbalmed.
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Yeah. Yeah. He's She was like still She's been sucked dry like in the movie.
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Sucked dry. Uh no decomposition whatsoever.
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Um Yeah. And he can just get in there and she looks exactly the same. It's totally fine. 15 years later.
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Yeah. He holds her and it's exactly the same, but she's sleeping and it's cool.
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Crazy. And then he like I the description of this was a little like funky. So I was kind of like I don't exactly know what the [ __ ] he's talking about. But he Edgar when he dies has a
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will and it's like I have to be buried next to Catherine and so they can't like do anything about it. So they have to like bury him next to Catherine. But Heathcliffe I think like circumvents it
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and like leaves like they bury him specifically so that there's like a space next to like move Edgar over and
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like slot himself in there which is [ __ ] crazy.
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It is genuinely so ridiculous. Nobody has ever been so deranged to the people in this [ __ ] book.
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And like death was so sacred at the like at the time and like all of the foot there was a like my version of the book had like a million footnotes and I was
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like I'm not clicking on all these cuz I know what they're all cuz I had an ebook. I sorry I had an ebook.
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I thought you were talking like a fiscal.
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No, sorry. I I had an ebook and I was clicking on like the Yeah. the asterisks that were like pop up the the footnotes.
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I ignored those and um I was like that's none of my business. I I would like click on one when I'd be like, "What could this possibly mean?" If I was like very curious, but for the
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rest of it, I could like fully understand what's going on. Yeah.
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I had to skim Joseph's part because I was like, look, I really think it's cool. I mean, obviously, like I love linguistics. I
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think it's really cool when they represent phonetically like the accent.
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I mean, he doesn't say anything important.
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important, but the way it's written is his accent is like is accent is so I don't know why
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I tried to go for the like Nolan like you know but didn't work. Um, that's just embarrassing.
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Cut that out. Um, yeah. So, he doesn't say a whole lot that's important, but every he gets like like paragraphs of text.
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Yeah.
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That is essentially just like alphabet soup.
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Yeah. Yeah. I had a cliffhanger on a thought there. I realized that I should revisit the footnotes. What I was getting at was that they are all about
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like the sanctity of death at the time and how like it's so important and like how it's such a sin to like disturb the dad and like they're resting and
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everything and there was like all these footnotes about it and Heath Cliff is just like I'm going to get in there and I'm going to hold her just cuz I want to. It's not even like he's not like
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doing any particularly grand scheme besides the Yeah. Besides the moving the grave I think it's open already.
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Yeah. And he's like I'm going to get in there. He's like yo while you're down there. like don't mind if I do. He's looking at a tasty box of donuts.
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While you're at it, do you mind like slipping open that box so I can have a little squeeze? Nudge it over a little bit.
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I [ __ ] Cuz they have to like pry open the coffin.
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And he's like, "Yeah, yeah, just leave that open and I'll like Oh, yeah. Don't worry. I'll take care of it from here." And they're fine with that. And they're like, "Yeah, sure.
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Whatever." Bro, they know this guy is so insane. They're like, "It's better if I just let you get get like sure, man. Whatever." Yeah.
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And like, oh my god, I do miss the days I'm gonna say something insane. I do miss the days where like we didn't exume graves to like fornicate the corpses because this
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is this happened. What? Where did this happen? It was Aaron. What was this in?
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It was in Osiratu, wasn't it? He like digs up his dead wife and is like, I need to have sex with you right now. And it's like we could have just held her and it would have been just as insane.
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We could have just held her 10. I don't think he digs her up, but I think like once she's dead, he goes into the room and like I'm completely misremembering this.
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Yeah, he does go into like the trap.
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The thing is cuz like cuz like nowadays when you die like you don't often I think people don't often die at home
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and like when you do like you call people like there's like you're like okay 911 or like whatever the service is. Yeah.
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I've never had to deal with this obviously. Um, is this in reference to Nasperatu, which is set many years in the past, or sorry, I thought you were like justifying him?
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No.
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Leaving with his dead wife and being like, "Well, you called the hospital." And they're like, "Well, he nos for No, hold on. Wait."
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I'm saying that like then they didn't have like the services and the like industrialization that we have. So, when
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someone dies at home, like that's your [ __ ] problem.
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Yeah. You got to deal with that. And and the doctor presumably takes a while.
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Like if you send Kenneth Kenneth is coming from Glimmerton on one side. It's going to be a while.
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Yeah. You got to wait. So you you're like just sitting with a dead body essentially.
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And I presume I presume not exume. I presume.
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Don't exume. Don't exume.
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Do not exume. But I presume that like if you were normal,
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you would just like say your goodbyes and then like close the door and leave the room. Yeah.
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But I think in these novels like they're not [ __ ] normal and they're gross and weird and like deranged. So
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is necroilia considered worse or better at the time? I think ex
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in public. Well, exuming crazy because it's like you missed the window.
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You're already sinning. Like in in this context, you have already committed a crazy sin by disturbing the dead, exuming a grave, like
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messing with all of that. Why not go further? I think is the mentality here where it's like, I've done the worst thing I could do in this situation. Like I think that for these characters, it's
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like I'm already in, you know, like what's a what's a couple more?
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I think it's definitely it's meant to like to show how insane he is. He did get it already. Cliff is [ __ ] crazy and has no uh loyalty to religion of any kind.
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No, he doesn't care.
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He has no respect for anyone. He cares only about himself. And I actually would even go so far as to argue he doesn't give a [ __ ] about Catherine.
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No, he doesn't. It's I think it's I'm about Sorry, it got to me. The
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voices the He's here. Let me in. It's so cold. It's Let me in your window or whatever. Sorry. I'm like, it got to me.
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Um, so much of this book I spent just like And I I love this book. I had a fantastic time. I loved reading it. I read You had a fantastic time.
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I was I was stressed the [ __ ] out the whole time.
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I love I loved every second of it cuz I was like, "Oh, cuz here's the thing. It was good. Look, this is one of those
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ones where I was like, you could not pay me to read this again because I cannot spend another six out six hours of my life
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being annoyed about something I know will annoy me.
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Yeah, regular life annoys me enough.
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Yeah, as anyone who knows me will tell you, here's the thing. If a book I can hate the content of a book so much.
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If it's if its pros flows enough, I'm willing to ignore everything about the like there are a handful of books
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that I'm like arguably these are terrible and I hate reading them.
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And I am like I still had a fantastic experience reading them for the sheer like craftsmanship that went into these books, for the sheer like artistry that
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is these books. I can hate it, but objectively I know that there is value here that I can like recognize. And this is one of those books where I'm like, me
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personally, me, Hannah, I hate everyone in this book and every decision that they make. Me, Hannah, the artist, I get it. You know, it's great. It's beautiful and I get it.
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And that overshadows me as a person. Um, I think like the holier being of me, an artist, having having writing so good that it
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fully nails the emotional beats it's hitting. Yeah.
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In every conceivable way to the point where this book is a rage bait.
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This book is rage bait, but it's rage bait. It's beautiful rage bait. It's intended to be rage bait.
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It's it's trying to get you to hate all of these characters.
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and like what they are associated and representing like associated with and representing. And then there are books where
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they are not ragebait. They're serious but they suck ass like objectively and technically. And so it's just like this
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sucks. This is a bad story. These are bad emotional beats. These are not executed well. So it's frustrating to read because you're like I'm annoyed about the craftsmanship of the book.
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Like that's a good word. I think you know, but like I'm annoyed at the fact that this book exists and not like I'm annoyed because the book is intentionally trying to annoy me.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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This this brings me back to Emily Bronte ultimate rage fighter. She did.
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She did and then she died and she's like, "No one can have you now. She she knew what she I think she knew. I think she knew what would happen in the end." Um this brings me back to something that
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I like I think I started talking about at the beginning and I like just did not uh finish. But something that I kind of like identify as like the Lolita effect,
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which is when an audience so fundamentally misunderstands that a main character is bad, is meant to be bad, and is meant to represent bad things.
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Because they are the main character, the audience is unable to realize that a main character has flaws and faults and is not a good person. Um, which is the
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case with Lolita, which is like what I associate it with. Um, obviously does not equal hero.
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Yeah. it and it and I think it just really like I see it a lot more now with um you know
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literacy rates going down and everything. Um people like really really like misunderstand characters.
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Yeah, characters, stories, everything. I think there's people really misunderstand things about works period. Like everything. Um, and
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this is one of those ones where I think the greater audience has like deeply misunderstood this book and what it's trying to be because Emily Bronte was
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not like these are all great people and you should really you should all want your own Heath Cliff. Yeah.
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She was not saying that. She was like look at all these crazy dysfunctional people. Yeah.
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Um, and watch what they're about to go through and know that you should not do it. Like what happened to Cautionary Tales?
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The whole point of like that giant ass monologue by Catherine and being like whatever our souls are made of his and mine are the same.
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That is not supposed to be in your [ __ ] wedding vows. Yeah.
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That is her like that is specifically framed from Catherine as like this girl
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is insane. She's insane. She's delusional. She is not by any means nor should she be a role model. Anything
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that comes out of her mouth should be looked at with scorn and disbelief.
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You also got to remember that she was like 12. Yeah.
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You can't be quoting a 12year-old six. Sorry. Oh my god. Damn. That's crazy. You cannot be quoting a 16 when she says that,
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you know, like even worse because like we say crazier [ __ ] when we're 16. I feel like Oh my god. But she you should not be
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quoting a hysterical 16-year-old at any point in your life as like a a method of like a guiding morality like
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like she you should be able to recognize reading this book that like you are not meant to like take any of this as like a lesson. No.
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You know, cautionary tales I think have become unidentifiable by greater audiences because we are so lacking critical
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thinking. And it's like, did you guys like what did you guys think about the tortoise and the hair? Like what did like what did you think about that story? Did you think that you were
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supposed to like relate to the hair or like like what what do you think?
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Because when you give a mouse a cookie when you What do you think about cookie?
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When the caterpillar was hungry and he ate so much he got a tummy ache. What did you think that meant?
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Let's unpack that. Let's get deep in that. Let's get deep in the apple that the caterpillar ate because I think we
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as an audience, we as a people are not prepared to unpack things like Withering Heights. We got to go back to the caterpillar. Yeah.
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Um like we're just not ready.
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We're just not ready for us like for things to be handed to us on a silver platter, you know? Like we we need everything told. And by we, I don't mean me and and you.
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Thank you.
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And most people. And most people. By we, I mean some people. Some people.
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Um, and you don't know who you are. And that's kind of the problem. That's the problem.
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Look, I think like Weathering Heights is a phenomenal book. Emily Bronte clearly knew what she was doing.
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But this is very much a see these people, they suck. Don't do that.
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Um, and then people were like, "Wow, wow.
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I really I had a Heath Cliff. I really wish I had a crazy guy who's foaming at the mouth to touch me.
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If I would had a Heath Cliff, I would do everything in my power to kill him and then myself.
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Yeah. Yeah. I This is my nightmare. No, because he would be weird about it.
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He would be like entwined and he'd be haunt me then. No, I would kill him and
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do some I would hire like the local like the village witch witch to to do one of those get Joseph in here.
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Get Let's have some sage being waved around the place, you know? Change the curtains.
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Change the curtains. the fact that there was like no woman living at Weathering Heights for a while and like it went to squalor because obviously
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Nelly shows up and she's just like oh my like what have you people done?
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What is wrong with you? Heritin no Hindley older brother drinks himself to death at 27 years old.
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Like I know people are still doing that today but like that's cows to be milking. There was beautiful scenery to be enjoyed.
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What?
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Your wife died. Boohoo. It happens. It happens multiple times in this novel alone.
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Like he he picked such a strange time to do it because like he had when the wife dies, he could have drunk himself to death. Perfect timing. When Heath Cliff
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returned, absolutely I am doing that. If if that's me, Hindley, I'm drinking myself to death the moment he sets foot on my property. Yeah.
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Um he had what? Like he never kills Heath Cliff either, even though being like, "Sleep with your door locked." Yeah. He's like he's like, "I have this gun and I could kill him.
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You little [ __ ] Go through with it." He's so And like I know he has that whole thing with he has that whole thing with Isabella where he's like, "You and I,
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we're both cowards." And it's like it's like, well, and then you're like Isabella leaves. Yeah, she leaves. She's great.
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Yeah. give her give her the the the her proper due because like she gets I mean takes her too long.
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She does take her time which like her time but she does eventually like she I like that she's like I am going to
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deliberately piss this guy off because it's the only thing that brings me joy.
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She's trolling. I love her. Like she was rage baiting within rage baiting like she was like she was like and you
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your misery brings me joy. I'm going to specifically press buttons and then when you get really angry, I'm going to leave.
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I I kind of I kind of [ __ ] with honestly. I got it. Yeah.
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I support women's rights and wrongs and that applies to Isabella Linton and nobody else in this book. Yeah. Nobody else.
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Except for the fact that she named her [ __ ] child Lenton. That was stupid ass name.
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They they really were just like, "Let's make it as complicated as possible. the kid after our last.
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It's crazy that she like supposedly is like going through all this pain to hide Keep Cliff's son from him
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and yet every [ __ ] person in this novel happens to just like know knows where he is knows where he is and what he's doing.
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Like I mean look, you could probably get away with just leaving a child in a dumpster. My my
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problem was like she sent him back like immediately to to hang next door. Yeah.
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And I was like like obviously four miles of a difference.
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It's like like obviously he's a child and you can't like leave him alone in the city.
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But you can but right next door to the guy you've been protecting him from his whole life.
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Naming him Linton is so dumb specifically for that reason cuz it's like if you gave him a fake full name then he's harder to find if you like let
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him be adopted by some random family as like a ward. Yeah.
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Then like just ridiculous.
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Like I know it was harder back in the day, but it wasn't that hard. Like it wasn't that hard. There were there were loopholes she was not exploiting, you
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know? Like it's just I I don't know. Nobody in this novel
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tried very hard to better themselves or better their situations particularly except for well she did in that like she
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did in Running Away but then she like immediately turned it on its head and was like I'm going to name my child Linton Heath Cliff. Let him let him keep Heath Cliff. And
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I don't know if he actually keeps Heathcliffe. I don't know. Does he not?
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Maybe I I think they just like just give him that when he arrives.
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When he arrives. Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry, Rcon that. I I'm so lost in the name because everyone's named the
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same [ __ ] thing. They never give Heathcliffe two names. They're like you are your first name and your last name. Heath Cliff. He's not even like share.
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He's not even like Heathcliffe. Heathcliffe. He's Heath Cliff.
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Heathcliffe. And then they tack on a mister when it's convenient.
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Yeah. when they're like we don't know what's obviously Heath Cliff or not anymore so we're gonna make him mister let's make him
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[ __ ] give me a headache like and then oh and then later on so when
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Catherine like Katherine Jr. has moved into this house and Heritton obviously has a crush on her
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and oh my god, Keith Cliff has this whole thing of like, I know what that's like, boy, but you're going to suffer cuz you're stupid and a brute and
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[ __ ] we'll never be on her level and yada yada. It's like, okay, way to continue the cycle, bro. But
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she he tries he's like, "Okay, this girl is smart. I'm dumb. I'm gonna
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I'm gonna try and learn my letters and like learn to read for her. Yeah. Lovely sentiment arguably.
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And she makes fun of him over and over and over again.
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She's so used to seeing people like actively self-destruct that somebody wants to better themselves and she's like, "That's hilarious."
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She's like, "That's hilarious and pathetic and I hate you." It's like all he wants is to like be able to read and it's like heaven forbid.
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Like it's just so it's so she's like and you're the worst and you're horrible and you're stupid and you're dumb and he's like a b c d all I want.
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It's so hard cuz like these people are arguably in terrible circumstances around terrible people all the time.
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But Catherine is such a brat.
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She's such a brat. And like even at like 13 when she goes over there for the first time, what she's not allowed to do, Katherine Junior, by the way, Jun to clarify,
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she goes over there to Withering Heights and she's not supposed to be there. It's been very explicit why she's not supposed to be there without supervision. And she like lies to Nelly
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and goes over there and first of all, why does this child have a horse?
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Second of all, I like that the horse had a name.
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Yeah, maybe cuz they were like, "This horse is going to stick around for a bit, so I got to give it a name." It was like the only named horse, I think.
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No, the the the dog has the dogs have a name.
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The dogs have a name and then it's like only there for a little bit. Um yeah, I was talking about how Catherine is such a brat.
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Uh, and I was talking about her like treatment of hair hair
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um heritin and and like not only later on like when she's actually living at Weathering Heights does she's like
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making fun of him for his education which she does I think before that as well but uh when
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she thinks he's a servant boy and like god and then they're like that's your cousin. Yeah, that that was crazy.
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No, he can't be my cousin. That's a [ __ ] peasant. That's him. That's an inferior person to me. He can't possibly
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be related to me. Fetch my horse, servant boy.
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It's such a hilarious scene. Cuz why did she do that?
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Why does she do it? And when they're like, "No, like you have to be respectful. Like that's your cousin.
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He's not a servant. They don't work for you." She's like, "I don't care. Fetch me." What's What's the um horse?
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No. Well, no, but Yeah. Yeah, but like No, but Yeah, but No. Yeah. Yeah, but No, like Yeah. Like, but Okay. Wait.
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Okay. Okay. Wait. Um, no. But Oh, Jesus. [ __ ] Holy [ __ ] All right.
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I'm having a What's going on?
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No, but like Okay. Oh my god. I did it again.
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Have you ever seen How I Met Your Mother?
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I just I just said I There's a lot of shows I haven't seen. A lot of shows.
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There's a drinking game in How Your Mother where the character Robin Shvski is a newscaster and she says but um a
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lot. And so actually the actress Kobe Smaller says but um a lot as well.
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Somebody has told me this and if it wasn't you I wouldn't be surprised. I feel like it might have been somebody else's.
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I feel like in love Robin Shotsky like my queen, my icon, my everything.
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Anyway, she um she says but a lot and so they make a drinking game like watching her newscast like every time you say but like you drink and you just get
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absolutely [ __ ] plastered. That's what this is. But it's me going, "Yeah, no." But um yeah, but um anyway,
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in the dream when you went I I think what I was thinking of was,
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"Wouldn't you like to know, weather boy?" But it's her going, "Fetch me my horse, servant boy." And then and then
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she says to Zilla as well. She I don't know what the request was there. I can't remember. But she she goes like she she's like, "If he's not going to get it, you got to get it for me." Yeah. And
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like, I don't work for you. I'm not employed by you. You're not my dad.
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Like, it's so It's such a funny scene cuz it's like she's asking like all these people for something. And they're
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all like, "Dude, not my problem. Not my circus, not my monkeys. Deal with it yourself." Helen chase her through the house and then like falls over in the process.
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Like, what are we doing? That was like And she's 13 years old.
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That was like that is too old.
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That's the one scene where I was like somebody has finally gotten what they deserve in this book and it was such a like a nothing moment. But it was so important to me.
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Like it's so funny like how much you can tell like the kind of socialization because even like when Linton shows up
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and he's they are the same age. They're like 12 or 13, but he's like sickly and weak and he's just like he's d he steps out of the carriage and
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he's dying. But he's like a wuss and he's just crying all the men can cry.
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For the record, that's not what I'm talking about.
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But they did say in the book the line that they used was, "Oh, he's a very like effeminite boy." And I he's a [ __ ] dweeb. He's not a feminine. He's a loser.
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He's a loser and he's like he cries all of the time.
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He's always crying or deadly sick. Like he's he's either about to die or like crying cuz he's about to die. There's
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two things he can do. Nelly is like when she first meets him, she's kind of like,
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"Oh, he's very he's very weak, but like he could be a good thing." Yeah. She's like, "He could probably
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like get some strength in him being out here when he's not in the city anymore." The second he goes to Weathering Heights, she gives up on him entirely.
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Lost.
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She's like, "Yeah." She's like, "Not my Sarcus, not my monkeys." She's like, she's like, "We're done here." She's like, "And you're going to be subjected to a life of trauma. Bye.
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Not my charge." And then, and then she sees him whatever, like six months or three years later or whatever it is. Yeah.
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And she's like, "This guy sucks." It's like, "Well, of course." What did you think was going to happen to him? You left him with Heathcliffe, bro. Obviously, he's messed up.
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You You left him with Joseph, Heathcliffe, and Heritton.
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Yeah. What did you think was going to happen?
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Well, literally something was going to go wrong here. Surprised he's alive at this point. They're very like I'm surprised they're feeding him. He asks for milk and he actually gets milk. I was shocked.
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It's crazy.
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I thought the second that Nelly and um Catherine were like out of there, they were like, "You got to eat the porridge now." And then he would be like
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complaining to Catherine like about having to eat porridge or something.
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That was like where I totally thought it was going.
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Like the slop they're feeding me no milk or sweets. And then and then the the And then they're like, "Yeah, your mother didn't like the grl either.
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your dead mother didn't like to eat our slob either. Okay, dude.
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And and and then um the fact that Heath Cliff's approach to this is just like, yeah, I give the kid whatever he wants cuz like he has to stay alive long enough for my scheme to be enacted.
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My crazy scheme. my understanding dude because like
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he so if Catherine is the heir of like Edgar Linton but not she's just
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like assigned as heir even though she's a woman. Yeah.
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So then Heathcliff is like okay but I own Weathering Heights now. I also want to own Thrushcross Graange.
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Yes.
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So he's like okay so instead of just being like actually because
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technically no wait. Yeah, because technically Edgar Linton's closest male relative is his sister's son.
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Yeah, that is the male heir. If it's not like the closest male heir is either Linton
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Heathcliffe or Heritton Ernshaw because that is Catherine's nephew. both. Yeah, they're both cousins.
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That's like by marriage, right? So, they're still technically heirs. So, there is no [ __ ] reason. He's just
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like on the off chance that this woman happens to be valued and respected as an heir. I have to get her to marry a man.
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So, that's automatically ne negligible.
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I kind of read it as like a humiliation thing for the dead. Catherine being like, "Check it.
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Check it. Check this out. Check my awesome scheme. Your daughter is about to marry her cousin, my my son.
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Isn't that funny? Got you there. Shameful. Look at that.
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The amount of cousin on cousin action in this in the It's only in the back half, which I was shocked about cuz I thought it would, you know, back in the day, everyone was It was Heath was just pulled off the street.
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Yeah. Yeah. So, like why does nobody move? Like Heath Cliff Heathcliff like goes away and then comes
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back. The fact that he comes back is what picks me up because I'm like just just go just stay out. Bye.
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Their souls are much on side where she's like why the [ __ ] are you here? Go home.
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She's terrified of that man and for good reason.
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This is the only woman who has like some seds on her shoulders and it's the only woman who never once has any uh romantic inclinations.
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Yeah. What does that say? Except for Zilla, who is also a housekeeper. So, yeah, Zilla's around.
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She's around, I think. Although, I think like Nelly makes some comments about Zilla just being like like standoffish or like not Yeah, but I'm like everybody is a jackass.
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Like, she better be standoffish, dude. She better I'd be minding my business, too.
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Yeah, man. I'm like, wow.
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Um, wow. What is there to talk about to talk about? Jinx.
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Jinx. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, um, this is like a great this is
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this is what high school is like. I think for me, um, at the end of the day, like if you if you guys like miss out on
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like inter like the crazy, um, like friend drama. Yeah. If you didn't go to public high school and like
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witness the falling out of a friend group um or there was like, you know, kind of an ancestral dating scene within
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the friend group. Um I think that like this this is really truly the best representation of that experience. Um and if you are nostalgic for whatever
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reason for that experience, pick this book up and you will feel like you are back in the 10th grade. Uh because that
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is exactly what this is like. Um uh yeah, like I what else is there truly
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to say? Um I love this book. Um I love this book.
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It was mental. Like insane mental. Unbelievable. I just say that, bro. Wow.
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Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
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And but incredibly believable. Like this would happen.
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This probably this probably has happened. And I can't wait to never have to read this
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book again. Um I can't wait to read this book again. Very different ends of the spectrum.
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I think when I don't have to read it in like two weeks for a podcast pop up it's going to pop up in my head I think every now and again and just like infuriate me.
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Um and that's okay. I'm fine with that.
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I think like ultimately this is a classic for a reason.
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Yeah. Um, and I think it brings with it a lot of the like gothic elements that it's so well known for.
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But at the same time, uh, there are no morals.
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Yeah. I think that, um, well, there are morals there. The moral is don't don't do any of this. Yeah.
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Um, this is, um, done by professionals.
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Please do not replicate anything you see here at all. Professional maniacs.
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Professional. Well, they've got time and money and space. The fact that this hap this story happens over like the course
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of like four years because I think Nelly starts the story when she's like five.
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It's crazy. He kept this beef going his entire life. Like Heath Cliff kept this beef going for as long as he possibly
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could. It's crazy. like like like obviously classics as a genre is like more broad than people like at a glance like consider it. Whatever.
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I'm not going to get into the semantics of classic literature. I just don't care about classics cuz I'm not mainstream and I'm super cool and I'm alternative and wrong and wrong. And that's for me.
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Okay. If you are like one of those people who are like I hate classics, they're boring like me. people who are wrong. You can read Wthering Heights
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because it weathering I'm just wrong for this entire like this is this is a humiliation ritual for me
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here sitting here doing this during this portion of rambling um original you're justing on
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I'm justing on you can read Withering Heights if you don't like classics is what I'm getting at Withering Withering Withering
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you can get into heights I'm I'm on um I'm Good right now. Li Manuel Miranda was singing about this book.
::1 hour, 4 seconds
You know what's so [ __ ] funny? I was just about to talk about is I'm on good readads right now scrolling through to see if there's anyone with like funny reviews. And the review that I'm looking at is at least I keep his eyes in my life. Um Darian and Hamilton.
::1 hour, 16 seconds
Wow. Do you like how I said that by the way?
::1 hour, 19 seconds
Do you like how I do you like can't zoom on you can't Did you like Did you understand what I said?
::1 hour, 24 seconds
It's like it's like trying to zoom on a piece of paper. This is embarrassing for everybody. You're like a mom. Like like a mo. But yeah.
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Um, yeah.
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I like that you fully read a non I thought it was a name the way you said it. I was like Darian.
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I was like what? Darian if he's watching this. I don't even know. I know a Darian.
::1 hour, 44 seconds
All right. Um, not to flex on you or anything, but I know Darian.
::1 hour, 48 seconds
So, you hate classic literature? You know a Darien. I know a Darien.
::1 hour, 52 seconds
And fun facts for the audience. You can read Weathering Heights even if you don't like the classics, which I think is the most absurd sentence ever.
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Really, it's a stupid [ __ ] sentence.
::1 hour, 1 minute, 3 seconds
No, cuz it's like literally if you are if you are stupid.
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If you are like me and you are stupid and you have like Tik Tok attention span if you're you can read this book because
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there is an insane thing happening every five seconds in this book. That's, you know, you know, it's really actually funny that you say that because I have
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something in my notes that says um not to sound like I have no attention span, but this book is too long.
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We're the exact opposite, dude. I was like, every every chapter I was like, what horrible decision are we going to make next? I I was like by every chapter I was like,
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I don't want to hear all of the details of this [ __ ] That's crazy because I'm like I don't
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care. Like I care, but I not that much because some people go on like there's a lot of like detail and I'm like, "Yeah,
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you don't really need to tell me that he was out like tending the field or whatever the fuck." Like you could have skipped over some of this.
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Yeah, it's Yeah, I agree with you that there's a crazy thing that happens every 5
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seconds, but also they go into way too much detail about it. And I don't know if it was just cuz my impatience. I was like, I am so sick of these people getting me out of here.
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Um, but yeah, I did kind of feel like a lot, especially in the second half
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where, like you said earlier, like there's a lot of falling a falling action. You kind of already know how things at a
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certain point, you know how things are going to end up. And I really do wish there had been like a point where we were like yada yada and then
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you're mad. I I I agree. the entirety of like volume two. Yeah.
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Could have been an email. Could have been an email. Yeah. There's um I want to say from No, I don't think I can put a number on
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it. There's like from whenever we like start to focus on Catherine too.
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It is drawn out so much like we didn't need a lot of childhood background which is so funny because I feel like
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Lockwood who like is technically like the main like character in this because it's like his his perspective he's
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receiving a story from Nelly whatever anytime Lockwood is like on scene everything happens instantly like he is
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he is in he is out eight months have passed he gets yada yada he like really moves it along Nelly goes into detail And so
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does Isabella actually. I like there's a lot of narrative framing. I don't know if we've talked about this. Yeah.
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But wow, there's a lot of narrative framing that happens of like story within a story.
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And I do appreciate it. Is interesting that you comment on the whole like if you don't like classics, this is written in first person.
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Um, which I think makes it more approachable for the modern day audience. But like the narrative framing
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is really interesting because you'll have Lockwood telling a story that Nelly told him.
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And sometimes, and this is really fun, you'll have Lockwood telling a story that Nelly told
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him, but Nelly was told the story by somebody else.
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Usually, I think the biggest section is like story within a story within a story. And there's a couple occasions where Nelly will uh
::verbatim read a letter that she saved from like an instance. So like I think Isabella has a whole chapter where it's
::just Nelly reading Isabella's letter to Mr. Lockwood.
::Everyone in this book needs to be studied, but Nelly specifically needs to be studied for her idaic memory cuz how did she remember? Idic.
::Is it really not? I think it's idic. I've been saying idic my whole life.
::It's idetic probably. I'm probably wrong. Photographic.
::It's a C. E I D E C T I C. I think.
::Probably. I learned this in the seventh grade and just left it. So true. The internet. So true. Nelly remembers everything like perfectly.
::Yeah.
::There is not a moment where she is like and I can't really remember what happened next.
::It's so [ __ ] crazy. I think you'd remember that [ __ ] too. It's like when you're talking to like um I think she's she's been ruminating
::on this [ __ ] for 40 years. So I think she's probably she's got that she's fully idetic. I have been calling it idaic memory since the seventh grade.
::There's no second C though when I weren't that idic.
::Idic. I spelled it wrong though. I said there was a second C and there isn't.
::I didn't even notice. Didn't even notice. Idic. Didn't even notice.
::You're black. I didn't even notice. I didn't even know this.
::Um, the what the [ __ ] am I talking about? Oh, narrative.
::Yeah, it's so batshit crazy that that like you know when you're you're you got like that kind of drama and you've ruminated on it so much cuz it's so
::[ __ ] crazy that by the time you've told like the second or third person, you have every [ __ ] detail memorized. Mhm.
::I feel like that's where Nellie's at.
::Yeah. She like she goes to bed and she's like thinking about it. She's reliving her day a million times over in her head because she's like, "How could that have happened?" And what else do you do?
::Yeah. She had she had nothing else to do but observe, I guess. You know? Yeah.
::Um there are not enough books in the world to like Yeah.
::overshadow the insanity that is happening in this woman's real life.
::Do we have anything else to say about the book?
::Um, I don't I don't even I can't even like formulate a sentence anymore.
::No, I I've been hysterical this whole time. I have no idea what I'm talking about or what's going on around me. Um,
::uh, stay deep.
::That's That's what it is. Yeah, your voice ends.
